Work is a scam

On our final episode of season two we talk to Danielle Moylan, who has had a wide ranging career spanning the music industry, foreign service with Australia’s Foreign, humanitarian response in Afghanistan and Syria, and now as a cafe owner and cook in London at Grove Lane Deli, Camberwell.

It’s a biggie, covering letting go of ambition, interrogating why we strive - do we truly want it or because we've been told to, being a quality not a control freak, and above all not waiting to know everything before jumping in. 

As usual, we hit Danielle up with the important Qs: 

Last meal:  fried chicken - the good stuff

Currently reading:  Recipe books in desperate search for new ideas - Australian Women’s Weekly Cake Book - a classic, and Andy Baraghani 

Currently watching:  The Crown

Listening to:  BBC news podcast, Beyoncé’s latest masterpieces 

Favourite unwind:  have a bath - hot water immersion

What advice would Danielle give to someone who's wondering about the next step in their career?

You're way more capable and better than what you think you are. And you don't need to know everything to try something. A lot of people feel like they need to fully understand everything. But you can, at any career point, jump into something and learn as you go. Don't wait until you feel like you know everything because you probably never will. And then you realize once you get into that field that nobody knows anything anyway. 

But most importantly, my advice, especially to young women I work with, is that they're so bright, they've got so much going for them. The world really is their oyster.I think that is something that's worth reminding ourselves every single step of our career.

A little about your co-hosts:

Anita Dullard is studying a MSc Climate and Energy Policy, taking time out from media advocacy; Avigail Shai is a diplomatic and policy adviser, and former diplomat – they met working in the international humanitarian sector, stayed for the chat and hilarity.

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